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	<title>Comments on: Downvoting Update</title>
	<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: doublejumper</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>doublejumper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-865</guid>
		<description>how about every time we choose to downvote, we have to give a 150 charachter explanation of why. that'll piss them off :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about every time we choose to downvote, we have to give a 150 charachter explanation of why. that&#8217;ll piss them off <img src='http://blog.createdebate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: johnbonham32</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbonham32</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-799</guid>
		<description>I'm glad that this has been done. Have you given any thought to LiveChat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that this has been done. Have you given any thought to LiveChat?</p>
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		<title>By: joe_cavalry</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>joe_cavalry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-771</guid>
		<description>LOL, so now I know what I can do with my points.  I can down vote the lot of you ;)

BTW, where's my polo? 

Actually, I think the solution is a good one.  If the best argument you can make is to down vote someone, then you really aren't a good debater and don't deserve points.

Now you should reward good debaters with up votes only.  The points you get for just creating a debate or just typing in an argument should be separate from the points you make by receiving up votes for your argument.  This is why I have so many points (not because I'm a good debater).  This is also why the points currently doesn't mean anything to me.  I didn't do anything to deserve them.  But I still enjoy the site.  Keep up the good work.

-j  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, so now I know what I can do with my points.  I can down vote the lot of you <img src='http://blog.createdebate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, where&#8217;s my polo? </p>
<p>Actually, I think the solution is a good one.  If the best argument you can make is to down vote someone, then you really aren&#8217;t a good debater and don&#8217;t deserve points.</p>
<p>Now you should reward good debaters with up votes only.  The points you get for just creating a debate or just typing in an argument should be separate from the points you make by receiving up votes for your argument.  This is why I have so many points (not because I&#8217;m a good debater).  This is also why the points currently doesn&#8217;t mean anything to me.  I didn&#8217;t do anything to deserve them.  But I still enjoy the site.  Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>-j  <img src='http://blog.createdebate.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: doower</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>doower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-765</guid>
		<description>i think debate is very good because we can share any think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think debate is very good because we can share any think</p>
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		<title>By: frenchieak</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>frenchieak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-754</guid>
		<description>New users can't downvote?  Awesome.  That was one of my favorite parts of the Stacker Overflow blog post.  Good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New users can&#8217;t downvote?  Awesome.  That was one of my favorite parts of the Stacker Overflow blog post.  Good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudacris</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudacris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-751</guid>
		<description>FYI - Down votes are now publicly displayed in user points history.  Also, new accounts cannot downvote until they earn points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI - Down votes are now publicly displayed in user points history.  Also, new accounts cannot downvote until they earn points.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B.</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-750</guid>
		<description>A down vote should really not cost a person anything since it is, and continues to be, an option of the site.  This gives an unfair and unwarranted reduction of reward points to an individual.  The fact is that it, too, can be by-passed easily by bringing in new accounts just for that purpose.  I'd suggest a line for down votes only to show the person is down voting others and at what rate.  If you simply deduct points from someone's rewards and don't show the down votes, it's quite meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A down vote should really not cost a person anything since it is, and continues to be, an option of the site.  This gives an unfair and unwarranted reduction of reward points to an individual.  The fact is that it, too, can be by-passed easily by bringing in new accounts just for that purpose.  I&#8217;d suggest a line for down votes only to show the person is down voting others and at what rate.  If you simply deduct points from someone&#8217;s rewards and don&#8217;t show the down votes, it&#8217;s quite meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudacris</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudacris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-749</guid>
		<description>You may want to read these 2 interesting blog posts that help to shape our reasoning and guide the decision-making process:

Hacker News:
http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html

Stack Overflow:
http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-value-of-downvoting-or-how-hacker-news-gets-it-wrong/

We agree with the folks over at Stack Overflow, there is a value to downvoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to read these 2 interesting blog posts that help to shape our reasoning and guide the decision-making process:</p>
<p>Hacker News:<br />
<a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html</a></p>
<p>Stack Overflow:<br />
<a href="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-value-of-downvoting-or-how-hacker-news-gets-it-wrong/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-value-of-downvoting-or-how-hacker-news-gets-it-wrong/</a></p>
<p>We agree with the folks over at Stack Overflow, there is a value to downvoting.</p>
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		<title>By: Hgrey87</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Hgrey87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-744</guid>
		<description>We had a couple of debates about this, you might have read them. What's your reasoning for choosing this change as opposed to other proposals? Simply requiring explanations for downvotes was a pretty popular suggestion. Just curious as to what I'm not seeing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a couple of debates about this, you might have read them. What&#8217;s your reasoning for choosing this change as opposed to other proposals? Simply requiring explanations for downvotes was a pretty popular suggestion. Just curious as to what I&#8217;m not seeing here.</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe</title>
		<link>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.createdebate.com/2009/03/16/downvoting-update/#comment-743</guid>
		<description>This doesn't address the problem in its entirety.  There should be a mandatory explanation for using the down vote.  Thus, a rebuttal, or not, can be formed to the proper person or persons.  This is needed to hold those who down vote accountable for their actions and give a identity to the down voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t address the problem in its entirety.  There should be a mandatory explanation for using the down vote.  Thus, a rebuttal, or not, can be formed to the proper person or persons.  This is needed to hold those who down vote accountable for their actions and give a identity to the down voter.</p>
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